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The Big To-Do Over To Do's

Years ago, life was simple. You created a to-do list - on paper. You checked boxes. And that was that. Somewhere along the way, as technology unleashed more inputs into our lives, the simple to-do list became glorified. The rising demands on our attention spawned an entire cottage industry of stand-alone to-do apps!

Remember the old song Sixty 50 Ways to Leave Your Lover? It seems like there's even more ways to manage and track your tasks on a PC, Mac, mobile device or in the cloud. Here's one list. And here's another. And the market keeps expanding too, a sign of our times,

I have tried many of these - in some cases multiple times: Backpack, ToodledoGoogle Docs, Things, Omnifocus, GMail Tasks, Remember the Milk, Evernote and more.

My needs are relatively simple: I want to follow the general principles outlined by David Allen in GTD and have all my lists be: a) searchable, b) cross-platform, c) mobile and d) private.

I haven't been able to find one that sticks. But now I think I have finally landed on an outstanding combo: Taskpaper, pictured above. This is a Mac app but it also has an nearly identical Windows cousin called ToDoPaper. Both are super. A web service powered by Google Appspot is coming soon to Taskpaper.com as is an iPhone app.

What's great about Taskpaper and ToDoPaper is that underneath they are just plain text files. This means I can read/edit my lists anywhere, mark them up in any editor and have the changes sync back everywhere via DropBox

Let's see if this one sticks but so far, I am loving this combo. What do you use?

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Comments (62)

Jul 05, 2009
Denton Gentry said...
I've been trying to get started with OmniFocus, mainly because it has a Mac and iPhone version, but there is so much pending stuff to be processed that I've never gotten through the initial import. Its my GTD fail.
Jul 05, 2009
Check out astrid on android. It now runs my life
Jul 05, 2009
Todd Weidman said...
Toodledo is the flavor of choice at the moment. But I've never been able to find the perfect solution. While Toodledo follows the GTD methodology, I'm not a fan of the email notifications, and I'm still searching for something that is dead simple.
Jul 05, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
Toodledo went down for an extended period of time recently.
Jul 05, 2009
Todd Weidman said...
One of the other issues is the time and commitment one makes to these tools (not to mention the price to sign up - i just looked at the ToDoPaper tool you referenced - 15 days free, then the annual fee. The money is not an issue, but the investment to try.

Unfortunately I'm locked into Toodledo because of the effort I've made to set it up - and I'm guessing these tool vendors are not too keen on data portability.

But I'll still give it a try :)

Jul 05, 2009
Lynnette said...
I too have tried a number of To Do list programs -- many of the same ones you mentioned.

I have recently settled in with Listingly (http://www.listingly.com/) -- mostly because it also has an iPhone app. And you can EDIT via the iPhone app (with some programs, you can only view your lists). It's also a "smart" list-maker that remembers previous things you've typed. It's very simple, yet highly functional. I love it!

Jul 05, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
TodoPaper is a one-time chagrge, not a sub. @Lynne, Listingly looks nice - the question is, will they be around and how secure is your data? That's just my POV and why I like text files.
Jul 05, 2009
Martin Liechti said...
I use toodledo and I like it. But like you I'm still looking for the perfect app. Maybe it just doesn't exists?
Jul 05, 2009
Eric Barker said...
I'm a devoted Evernote user. I'm at GTD guy too and set up my notebooks that way. I've moved everything I can (and certainly everything actionable) to Evernote just because I like having everything accessible wherever I am. I'm curious what problems you had with the system that left you wanting. My only significant complaints are semi-frequent crashes on the iPhone and the 25mb upload limit.
Jul 05, 2009
Things have been really working well with me. Having it able to sync to ical has been the best part.
Jul 05, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Eric, I love Evernote but I find for to-do's it's lacking. You can't create checkboxes on the iPhone.
Jul 05, 2009
Todd Leiser said...
I too have tried a variety of tools and have settled on Gmail's Tasks. Multiple Lists, Dates, Notes can be associated to each task (ample space), integration with Google Calendar (incl. sorting by date due) and Gmail (drag an email into the tasks), and I have it on all my platforms (including iPhone) since it's all in the cloud. It's simple, straightforward, bound to be enhanced by Google, and it's free!
Jul 05, 2009
Dubber said...
I only recall 50 Ways To Leave Your Lover. Clearly the Simon and Garfunkel version I had on vinyl wasn't yet subject to the expansion in tasks the digital environment provides. Your copy must be from iTunes. :)

For the To Do list, I find GTD-based 'Things' for Mac superb.
http://culturedcode.com/things/

Jul 05, 2009
Sally Church said...
Hah, other the people with the same problem of searching for the perfect app to manage tasks easily without the system taking over your life and you end up spending too much time on it ;)

I've tried all the ones you've mentioned too, Steve. Ended up with simple lists with checkboxes in my moleskine... It's easy, free and no crashes. The perfect app for me would do what my moleskine does between the desktop, laptop and iPhone but have not been able to get into any of them yet.

Jul 05, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Dubber I guess the song got better with age! Editing my post!
Jul 05, 2009
I use evernote, but I don't use the list function. I use a dedicated notebook with individual notes for each task. Then I can use tags for contexts and the written space for notes on each task. With the date for creation and last update on each note, I know which tasks are old and which are new.
Jul 05, 2009
ktroia said...
I still use the old school piece of paper. I just don't get the same satisfaction crossing off my to do's on the computer and the written paper has added pressure when I see it sitting on the table and other people see my to do's.
Jul 05, 2009
Chris Sparno said...
RE Listingly, sounded interested but when I click on the link I get this...

Status: 500 Internal Server Error Content-Type: text/html Hickup.. What? what just happened?

I guess that answers the question of whether they are reliable or not.

Jul 05, 2009
@gattoo said...
Any To-Do without associated follow-ups is like elephant without trunk. Solves his problems but not too sexy.
Jul 05, 2009
Matt Hopkins said...
I have found toodledo.com to be superb. The web user interface is simple and powerful and there are plenty of ways to communicate (iPhone app, outlook sync, etc).
Jul 05, 2009
Todd Sattersten said...
I have gone through the same thing as many here. Backpack, Voodoopad, text files.

My current tool is Things, a Mac app that runs on my Powerbook and iPhone. They sync with each other everytime one of the programs is started.

I have been using it for a few months now and it is just the right balance between structure and flexibility. Things models the GTD methodology well. Strong recommend.

Jul 05, 2009
matt said...
Lynnette said...
"I have recently settled in with Listingly (http://www.listingly.com/) -- mostly because it also has an iPhone app. And you can EDIT via the iPhone app (with some programs, you can only view your lists)."

Not sure what you're talking about. Almost all the apps in this area (mac wise) have an iphone app, and the ones I've used (Things, Omnifocus) let you do just about anything on the iphone version as you could on the desktop.

I use Things. It can be a basic todo list, or more. A desktop and iphone version is all I need. I find the great benefit to keep everything text humorous. But who wants kids on your lawn, am I right?

(I also can't believe that the 'I don't get the same satisfaction as paper and pen' argument is still alive. There are so many advantages to at least having a partial digital solution that to stick with that nonsense is sticking your head in the sand.)

Jul 05, 2009
burnayev said...
Android users might want to check ActionComplete - a GTD-inspired to-do organizer http://actioncomplete.com
Jul 05, 2009
Scott Gould said...
I've found that Evernote and RTM work fantastic for me. Both are on my mac, online and on my iphone and therefore ubiquitous. I used Fluid to put RTM it its own browser and app on my dock. From RTM I can share tasks with my staff.
Jul 05, 2009
RuViljoen said...
This is not mobile. There is not yet a dropbox mobile app so the iphone taskpaper app will not be able to sync simply with the computers.
Jul 05, 2009
Heather Whaling said...
I've been trying Springpad out -- and there are aspects of it that I like. It's more comprehensive than just a basic to-do list, which is nice. I'd like it more if they had an iPhone app! :)

Heather (@prtini)

Jul 05, 2009
Tom Hoover said...
@Steve Rubel
> Toodledo went down for an extended period of time recently.

The downtime, although not ideal, didn't affect me. I continued using the excellent iPhone app. The thing that expressed me most about the developer of Toodledo is that he kept us informed during the entire time. He didn't try to make excuses (even though the problem was initiated by power problems at the facility containing the Toodledo servers), and he described the "lessons learned" which should preclude future issues.

Jul 05, 2009
chuckeye said...
I've been using TaskPaper for more than a year now with great results. My latest variation has been to keep my .taskpaper files in Dropbox (shared by 3 of my Macs) so I can see it from anywhere, and using GeekTool to cat the text file onto my desktop of those boxes as well.
Jul 05, 2009
Scott Gould said...
Must say I'm surprised about how few use Remember the Milk (mac, pc, iphone and web), and Evernote (mac, pc, iphone and web) for reference files!
Jul 05, 2009
Tom Hoover said...
@Scott I previously used RTM.  Even though powerful, it has the worst web-based UI that I've ever seen.  Once I switched to Toodledo, I never looked back.  BTW- I still use Evernote...love it!
Jul 05, 2009
Salgud said...
I've used a number of the task management tools you mentioned and some others. Used Evernote for a while, but when they took away the template feature going from 2.2 to 3.0 (along with a lot of other features), I started looking for better.

Found Things just after I bought my first Mac just over a year ago. I really liked the great interface and simplicity, yet it still did most of what I want from a todo app, like Projects, Areas, Someday and others. But just after they went full release, and got many of us to pay to continue to use Things, Cultured Code got noticed by Apple and completely stopped communicating with their power users in their forums to devote themselves full time to get an Appple Developers Award. For over 6 months, no communication, no new releases, and no bug fixes. Then they came out with a new release with enhanced Applescript support, something only a very few users can use. They needed to enhance the Ascript to win the award, which they did. But they utterly abandoned their users to do it, to the point of completely removing the link from their site to the forums, which remain unlinked today. They didn't want Apple, or prospective users to see how they had abandoned us, so they just buried us!

Now they're back and saying they're going to "revamp" the forums, which I'm guessing means "censor" and that they still are interested in forum/user feedback, were just too busy to bother with us for 6 months! They did make a token release with an important bug fix to try to get some credibilty. So I'm not trusting them much at this point.

I've switched almost entirely over to RTM, which I like a lot, is cloud based (Things just syncs directly with the iPhone app, no cloud app). I'm getting an iPhone later this summer and will try it out with RTM and with Things to see which works better, but I'm still very leary about trusting CC.

Jul 06, 2009
Scott Gould said...
@Tom - Checked out Toodledo just now - looks ok - I'm just very happy with RTM. I can share tasks and lists with my staff, so that helps me out. And of course Evernote is the best!
Jul 06, 2009
Scott Gould said...
@Salgud - Sorry to hear your experience with Things. I tried it out but found the syncing between iPhone and Mac just too hard - I need something that syncs online. That's why I'm enjoying RTM, and I guess you are too!

Things on the iPhone, IMO, takes too many steps to get things sorted on it.
Jul 06, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Scott, I agree. Also re prior comment on DropBox I meant Box.net. 
Jul 06, 2009
ian cook said...
Steve
There is a school of thought that all "to do lists" are a complete waste of time for disorganised people, because you never get to the bottom of the list due to the fact that they are either not important enough to you or you cant be bothered......rake up the leaves!!

To become more productive and organised why not start a "THINGS NOT TO DO LIST!" that way all the time wasting, unprofitable and unproductive things get delegated, stopped or binned, leaving you with more time to do the things that you enjoy, earn you money or give you more time to do those tough things properly!

What's on your list now.... Leaves - get the young lad next door to rake up the leaves and get the shopping in!!

Have a nice day!!

Jul 06, 2009
Justin Wah Kan said...
Steve,

I've been using The Hit List since Macheist 3. It's got a bunch of neat features and also has an iphone app. It's Mac only at the moment.

One issue is the sync across multiple machines. I've managed to work around that (current) limitation by syncing the programs library file. Nice app but still needs a few more features to be exactly what you want.

Jul 06, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Justin, THL has an iPhone app? News to me. Where?
Jul 06, 2009
Justin Wah Kan said...
Sorry Steve, I made a mistake.  Supposedly there is an iphone app on the way but it is NOT currently available at this time.

Apologies.


Jul 06, 2009
Ronald Barnett said...
I use Things to good effect. But I also use a dedicated list maker, Grocery Gadget, an iPhone app for grocery list(s). It has a large database of all possible items so no inputting and works great - no need to write a list every week.
Jul 06, 2009
Ronald Barnett said...
p.s. I also use reQall (for the voice capture) with Things. I wish Things had this feature.
Jul 06, 2009
ellisbooker said...
I'm using RTM. It works just fine, with one exception: Each time Google updates Gmail, the RTM extension for Firefox stops working. This messes up my workflow big time. When the API is busted, starring an email won't create a task in the RTM Gmail dock. Otherwise, I'm happy with RTM, which has a nice iPhone app (albeit a confusing Web interface, as someone else noted above).
Jul 06, 2009
Kevin Arth said...
I use Things but I can't stand the sync feature for iPhone. Wifi only. Paid for Mac and iPhone versions, but looking for something cleaner. need better project support/subtasks.
Jul 06, 2009
Kevin Arth said...
Chris, in case you didn't see it yet, Listingly is OK. You got the error because the hyper link that Lynette provided above was malformed. Try this: http://www.listingly.com/
Jul 06, 2009
Ragy Thomas said...
I've been struggling with this as well. Been using google's new and better tasks that live in the google calendar. Meets some of the criteria you have outlined but the visual representation leaves much to be desired. Have you tried it?
Jul 06, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Ragy I have but it does not work offline on phones. 

Jul 07, 2009
Citizen To said...
@Steve Rubel
Did you encountered any problems while synchronizing via Dropbox? It would be a dealbreaker..
Jul 07, 2009
metalerik said...
Steve, what are you using on your iPhone to view the files from dropbox?
Jul 07, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
I made a mistake - meant to say Box.net.
Jul 07, 2009
Kevin Arth said...
Anybody use Vitalist? (vitalist.com) I used to be a heavy user. It has many great features. They went to a pricing model that I thought was way too expensive, so I abandoned them. Now looking for replacement. Recently picked up Toodledo. haven't messed with it too much yet, but it appears to be a similar service.
Jul 07, 2009
metalerik said...
oh ok, I thought you were talking about a different statement re dropbox. So, I see that the Box.net iPhone app says that it lets you easily access various types of files. Can you tell it to read the taskpaper file and if so is it read only? Thanks for taking the time to test out and report back on all of these apps. I too haven't found the right Task app(s) yet.
Jul 07, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
The taskpaper file is plain text, so you can open it using any app that reads webdav.
Jul 07, 2009
nice post, and even nicer discussion. I am a freaky evaluator of all os these and runner-up is THL. Text management features to enter tasks and follow customer projects and intelligent searches are key...
Waiting for a wiki based version to be collaborative and obviously for the iphone app

In any other case Vitalist.com deserves a nice review as well

Jul 07, 2009
Allison said...
I love the web and I'm perpetually glued to my computers. But I have to say, after trying all of the various websites, I still find paper and pen work well. I carry around 2-3 neon colored index cards. I scribble my to-do's on them and cross them out when done. So simple, my grandmother can do it. Uh oh... she does.

There's something about the to-do lists on the web that leave me a bit cold but I'm going to look at some of the suggestions here.

Jul 07, 2009
Sean said...
Hey Metalerik - this is Sean from Box.net. As far as the Box iPhone app itself, while you can scroll through and view a list of all your files and folders on Box, you can only view the file types in the Box app that are natively supported for viewing on the iPhone - your standard Microsoft Office files, PDFs, images, audio and video. However, when you're signed into Box.net on the web, you can upload, browse, manage and share any file you have on Box. To view specialized file types, you can simply download it to your computer and view it in a compatible desktop app. Hope that helps - feel free to reach out to us anytime. Tweet us @boxdotnet. And thanks for the post, Steve!
Jul 09, 2009
Benny Jones said...
steve seems like you created another form of evernote using dropbox as the synchronizer...
Jul 09, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
@Benny I am still experimenting with this.
Jul 09, 2009
Benny Jones said...
keep up the good work, as i follow your thoughts on pkm (personal knowledge management) here and at micropersuasion... looks like posterous has got the right methodology in allowing post by email since 90% live in email (gmail or corp ms-outlook)... cheers!
Jul 09, 2009
Jeffrey said...
As a fellow GTD fan, I must recommend www.rememberthemilk.com - they also have an iPhone app (you have to spring for the $20/yr "Pro" membership).
Aug 02, 2009
Jim Muttram said...
I have tried all sorts of things - but most recently a simple list in Evernote and now Remember the Milk - the best
Aug 24, 2009
Rui said...
"I have tried many of these - in some cases multiple times: Backpack, Toodledo, Google Docs, Things, Omnifocus, GMail Tasks, Remember the Milk, Evernote and more."

Oh...oh! So, your estimation of time lost in all these activities searching for the PERFECT to-do manager is?.... What? How much time do you actually spend on doing well, actually OUTPUT.

Have you read Merlin Mann recently? Gee.

Oct 13, 2009
Fer Isella said...
wondering..., still using TaskPaper? did it work for you as the ultimate solution to organize your tasks?
thnkas!
Oct 14, 2009
Steve Rubel said...
Absolutlely. I love it and sync it with Dropbox. All it needs is an iPhone app. 

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